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  • Mark 12:17 pm on March 21, 2009 Permalink | Reply
    Tags: loving God, , metaphysics   

    No Room in the Inn, Plenty at the Coffee Shop 

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    Earlier this week, Katrina, Alan and I met up with a Metaphysics discussion group at the Mercury Cafe on Chicago Ave.  It’s an amazing cafe, but even more amazing was the discussion!  The evening’s topic was “What is God?”  About 12 people were present, and each of these strangers had met online to discuss metaphysics – and the sparks began to fly immediately!

    The conversation was wildly diverse, there were spiritualists, neo-pagans, Polish Catholics, agnostics, atheists, and more.  I was so moved by the lives of pain many of these people overtly expressed in their pursuit of God (or fleeing from God).  We questioned assumptions some brought (is God male, and singular?  Is he imaginary?  How does one experience God? Where did religion come from?)  Some became offended at the assumptions others made.  Still others were quiet and pensive.

    It was a strange sensation.  The discussion on God was not like most I have of him.  Most of my life God was never brought up outside of family discussion or Sunday School.  Now I was in the midst of the urban matrix and having to upend my framework and typical language for God in order to speak about who God is and how God pervasively impacts my life.

    Someone brought up the deist idea that God sees us as his ant farm, who is at least marginally interested in the creation as a whole, but otherwise does not care about you and me.  I found out later that her dad had kicked her out of the house and forced her to leave Canada.  I talked about an infinite being that could keep track of the infinite “ants” and know each spot on the back of each ant, know their dreams, their personalities…people couldn’t do this, but for God this is possible.  Many resonated with this idea.

    An atheist who had grown up Hindu was perplexed that we did not talk more in terms of science and instead we had focused on intuition and sociology.  Someone else concluded that God exists outside of space and time and therefore lives outside the language of science, yet he is also holistically integrated into our world and so completely related to science that we couldn’t not speak of God when contemplating science.  He is no where, he is now here.  (Is this why God nicknamed himself YHWH “I AM”?)

    The conversation at the cafe got me thinking.  The vast majority of people in this city feel left out of the conversations about God.  They feel the church has rejected them.  Their tatoos or alternative lifestyles or responses to their pain have exiled them from the the forum of spirituality, and therefore many have resigned their lives to meaninglessness, or have left their search for God and placed it with a search for knowledge in science.

    They have been told by the church, “There is no room left in the inn.”  For my new friends at the Metaphysics discussion group, they might feel a bit like Mary and Joseph, left out in the cold and in crisis.

    Pregnant with God, but no where to go – that is the reality of millions in Chicago and all across this world.  But the stinking stable in the midst of such a crisis is where God finds you.  That is where God has been all along.  Waiting for them in the stable.  The nurses and doctors for Mary and Joseph should have been the best in the world fit for the King of the Universe, but instead they got donkeys.  Instead of a royal blessing, the young couple received from Herod an attempt on their baby’s life.

    The places of power hold for society the conversations of meaning – Main St Churches, City Halls, etc.  This is where God’s character is voted on, and dogma is standardized.  But God is outside the forum’s of man’s best theological guesses.  He is helping Mary and Joseph in the freezing cold.  God is patiently whispering into the ears of the millions who have been marginalized by the church, hoping to awaken them to who God is.

    Are followers of Christ willing to be the donkey, or the sheep, waiting next to a scared Mary as she lives completely shunned by an embarrassed family, and suspicious religion elite?  It begins by listening humbly to the hearts of those who do not have a place in the official forums, and honoring them for their “birth-pains” as God is birthed within them.

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    • Josh Frank 10:02 pm on March 21, 2009 Permalink

      Sounds like a really great night and an intense conversation. So glad to hear that it is happening!

    • John Bailey 4:34 pm on March 22, 2009 Permalink

      Great post!

    • Mark 8:59 pm on March 22, 2009 Permalink

      Thanks guys! John, what’s your scoop? NAMB north american missions board I presume? What are you up to there?

  • Mark 3:31 am on January 1, 2009 Permalink | Reply
    Tags: loving God, The Shack, , William P. Young   

    Shackled 

    It was one of those books I have had for years but never got around to reading.  One of those books that I heralded as “monumental” before I had even read it and certainly before anyone else had.  Then I watched as the book took off in popularity, through word-of-mouth, shoe-string budget marketing, and is now one of the top selling books of 2008.  Of course, I’m talking about The Shack.

    I finally finished reading the book last night, after several fits and starts for the past few years.  I had picked the book up at the House2House Conference back in 2006, when William P. Young was still signing every book and even correcting a grammatical mistake he made on page 204 with a ball-point pen.  Now they’re on their 4th printing in two years, and there’s a movie deal in the works.  My how time flies.

    Eugene Peterson is quoted saying that The Shack is as important a book to our generation as Paul Bunyan’s Pilgrim’s Progress was for his.  Why?  For me, The Shack recaptured my imagination of God – both his intimate love, and his strength.  Finally, a (fictional) book was written that describes the God I always sensed hidden beneath the theology, speculation, and religion that trapped God from his wild and untamable self.  The picture of God that many of us (myself included) primarily have is one of dominance, hierarchy, and apathy – like a bully kid kicking at an ant hill. Young refocuses his readers on the God described in the most ancient texts; one of redemption, wholeness, and beautiful, wild peace.

    For me, The Shack gave me a window view into a heart that is completely aware of the God all around us.  Not just aware of God, but fully in love and embraced by that God.  A God who is most keenly interested in our journey back to him from our independence and our self-righteous suicides.  God is so interested that he limits himself to a place where we engage him as a loving Father, and Mother, and offers us a path out of ourselves and into loving communion with the only perfect, divine relationship – the Triune God.

    Deep stuff – yeah.  But The Shack, like no other book – shuffles through some of the deepest theology I’ve read on the Trinity (Zizioulas’ Being as Communion had to be one of Young’s inspirations,) and presents it in a way that even Joe the Skeptic could understand.

    For sure, there’s been critiques (one mentioned and discussed at my friend Kester’s blog, here), and of course it is helpful to keep in mind that this is a fictional book presented as a fantasy – not written in the Canon.  But take stock for a minute of the ways in which God is being portrayed in our world today.  With as much poor theology as is being spewed out by jihadists, war-hungry Christians, the media, and more, maybe The Shack’s loving, non-violent, God may have something to say after all.

    Have you read The Shack? What are your thoughts?  What favorite moments or quotes helped you in your understanding of God?  What bothered you about the book?  What did you disagree with?  What needs to be said?

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    • miller 9:18 am on January 1, 2009 Permalink

      hey mark…

      glad you finished it and liked it! i’ve heard a lot of hubbub recently about the book and it kinda makes me sad/angry the way people have picked this one apart. i mean it seems like so many have put words in Young’s mouth on this one and in so doing made him say something he isn’t even attempting to say. maybe this is a reductionist approach to the plot but it seems to me Young is simply providing one possible way of understanding how a God who lets so much senseless tragedy continue to perpetuate itself can be loving and kind.

      in dealing with this very complex question, Young is forced to analyze our theology! are we going to take seriously the omniscience, omnipotence, omnipresence points of our theology? are we going to take seriously the loving kindness points of our theology? are we really going to embrace the belief that we have free will? these are just a few of the major points that Young asks us to begin really embracing.

      it’s a strange thing to me that the book has come under so much scrutiny and rejection while books like “your best life now” and other pseudo-christian pop psychology books are given a free pass… books that, while they may never even mention the name of God, imply all sorts of really bad theology.

      i’m glad you liked it! i liked it too…

      i think my favorite scene is the one where Mack is given eyes to see like God for one night and gets to go with Jesus to a convocation of animals and people… and there meets his earthly father and is reconciled to him.

      that was powerful…

      any way, great post…

      thanks.

    • Mark M. 10:59 pm on January 1, 2009 Permalink

      I really enjoyed the book. To me this book was very much a modern day parable. People who try to take it too literally won’t like it. But take it as a parable and think there is a lot to learn from it. I’m pretty sure that guy Jesus liked some parables.

    • Mark 11:38 am on January 2, 2009 Permalink

      Thanks Miller – I think you’re right. That’s part of the downside to a fictional novel being read by analytical thinkers – if you can’t suspend the legalities of systematic theology and allow your own heart to be changed/convicted…then you miss Young’s message.

    • rob horton 3:44 pm on January 6, 2009 Permalink

      cool to hear your thoughts – i have enjoyed it during two readings – it was better for me on the second reading.

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